My first Maxwell interior. Advise is very welcome!

pieterv

Thanks for writing down your opinion Jason. Personaly, I also don't really see a problem with the verticals. It doesn't bother me. The time of two-point perspective drawings is about two decades behind us, no? The only time it bothers me is when the wideness of the field of view is really exagerated.

Besides, I used to draw with 3 vanishing points. Like in this old drawing of mine. I think it makes it much more interesting then with 2 vanishing points.

olishea

wow great drawing!

vertical verticals just appears to be an industry norm. It is not to say you definitely must not have vertical convergence. I feel the photo/render is more natural when it's not completely vertical....but when you start placing renders on a drawing sheet they look horrible when the verticals are all different. It keeps some consistency between renders and I believe it looks more professional. Nearly all architectural photographs maintain their verticals. The human eye nearly always sees verticals, especially in an interior scene and the render would become more familiar if you adhere to this convention. Lens shift is an excellent feature of any render engine.

jason_maranto

I feel much the same, and I even got into curvilinear perspective back when I was hand drawing, but obviously SketchUp makes perspective drawing somewhat obsolete.

Back on topic -- I would say the render looks very good but there are some places where maybe some things could be improved a bit.

Some things that jump out to me:

The cat does not integrate as well as I'd like
The white halo around the railing/window elements unduely draw my eye
On the texture side of things I think maybe the woodgrain is tiling a bit large for a wood floor -- that is to say that planks of that width would be very unlikely to be commercially available
The white of the carpet does seem a bit excessively "white"

I can't really find fault with anything else

Best,
Jason.

Richard

Ok from the other side of the argument!

I'm an absolute believer that verticals are almost ALWAYS essential and I'll argue this with you guys for hours if you wish! Ok we all do renders and sure standalone who gives a toss whether the verticals are maintained right? Now take that render and place it to a page as the graphic designer would who puts it to a sign, brochure or webpage.

I guarantee you the first thing he will do is take your image into Photoshop and correct your verticals before he even trials it on the artwork! I'm serious there is not one thing that can destroy a page more than off verticals in an image as it fights with the text, columns, image borders and the page edge / bind themselves! If you feel your interpretation is more important than "selling the project" do the justice of throwing them "way off" vertical (like 30 degress off).

I'm a strong believer that you are better to get the camera set (with or without shift) to maintain the verticals than to let the graphic artist repair the damage as most often the perspective that results is a little weird and depending on the extent of your off vertical - cropped to buggery!

olishea

@richard said:

Now take that render and place it to a page as the graphic designer would who puts it to a sign, brochure or webpage.

This. I always maintain verticals now. If only to stop everyone moaning

Richard

@olishea said:

This. I always maintain verticals now. If only to stop everyone moaning

This! Is a good thing!

Yeah I must say it always amazes me when the opposite is argued in the forums. And with that often wonder how many have seen the results of their renders when the graphic Artist has finished with them!

jason_maranto

Having done my fair share of graphic design over the years I would have to say it is a pretty poor graphic designer who works/thinks so rigidly... but I'm hardly surprised. The world is full of people who treat "suggestions" as "rules" because they can't (or don't want to) think for themselves.

Of course it may not be entirely their fault -- the quality of education for most graphics designers is pretty low... I've had to "re-educate" dozens of them over the years and all came to the conclusion that their "degrees" were all but useless pieces of paper (and wasted money/time).

Best,
Jason.

olishea

The verticality issue only really affects architectural rendering. If you are creating a surrealistic/figurative scene with high FOV/low view angle etc. that's fine.

Have you actually tried rendering the same scene without divergence? See what you think, I believe the image will be much better for it.

Other advice; cat is a distraction, blinds/curtains can add some movement/extra detail/play with light, floor overexposed slightly. Why not try a render without direct sun/only physical sky or hdri. The light can be so much more dynamic. The texture on sofa is repeating and flat. I don't find trailing wires on the floor good design nor attractive (unless modeling a lamp scene!). I believe glass should have some apparent reflection. The material becomes lost between the window and the balustrade. Wall material is perhaps too flat. The book case adds great realism/detail but also draws all the attention towards it, the room becomes vacant without it. Finally some tonemapping and warmth in your light could really emphasize the depth and mood.

Of course these are suggestions not rules, so feel free to tell me I'm full of it.

pieterv

Thanks a lot for the advice Jason, Richard and Olishea!! I will see what I can do with these tips and then post the result.

pieterv

Listening to the various comments, I have applied multiple changes and I think I was able to improve it. (less light comming from the front now and a couple of other tweaks)