Building a Sketchup Computer... on a $1000 budget. UPDATED
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well did you read the test?
the allendale undervolts to 1.1 volt at 100% stable and could even go lower...
and the point here is not to spend more than 1000 and $266 for a intel chip that will need a $300 board is not going to help us...
i didn't understand this part?
"Snap! Some of the above is in the link that gksl4 provided a few posts up."
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The "snap" part in blue was with regard to my comments on the Intel pricing, etc.
Yes, I did read the test, I've also read quite a few others on overclocking and reviews and and and. Do as you must, overclocking is a means to an end, if done correctly that is.
I don't want to get into a discussion about overclocking and I also don't want to hijack / sabotage your thread. So please continue, I think that there are people that will benefit from the thread, one way or the other.
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you're not hijacking or sabotaging... this is exactly what myself and other will elarn from, two "Points of View"
and I am not expert... I've read quite a few of these reviews also... and they do vary quite a bit...
anyway let's keep it going, I have recieved my $512 computer from Jose... time to strip it. photos to follow...
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My two cents is when you pick a video card, pick one that support dx10 such as the nvidia 8800 GTS.
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good point DX10... mmmm
I'll post later tonight I have a lot of stuff to add to this.... I've installed serveral components
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I used to be into the overclocking scene, overclocking everything I got my hands on, from computers, to video game systems, even to my calculator. I learned one lesson from all of it. Computers are delicate machines, that will not be able to sustain being overclocked for long. Instability, lock-ups, and power-downs will all happen to any overclocked computer. guaranteed. if anything, for a computer that I expect to be running stably and for extended periods of time, I would underclock it. not by much, but just enough to run the computer maybe a degree cooler, and slower, that way I know that I will be able to get a long life out of it, and i can expect it to run everything predictably.
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don't live in the dark ages... yesterday's overclocking is today's standard... as were the overdrive procressors of 1990...
I think everyone overclosks to some extent and it has become the standard... so much that system board makers are building these overclockable systems... the cool running of this and it's extreme stable running is one of the main point of this system...
however I have been experimenting with a Intel Pentium D 805 2.66 and have some intersting observations to pass on... that will hit on Willo3's theme...
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@cyberdactyl said:
My two cents is when you pick a video card, pick one that support dx10 such as the nvidia 8800 GTS.
Hmm, I don't quite know how DX10 will benefit SketchUp (at this point in time) as it uses OpenGL API for best GFX accelleration. Maybe if you intend on building a machine for gaming under the guise of a work machine.
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Microsoft will not release a DirectX 10 version for Windows XP.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060525104034.html
And as far as I know XP is still the best OS for SU.Dual or quad core and 64bits all sound great, but AFAIK SU6 runs at its max on a single core 32 bits processor. Of course other software does benefit.
[Maggy]
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Maggy,
yes all true... I have been experimenting last night with a Bargin Intel Pentium D 805 2.66g...
bought the board PCCHIPS P23G and the CPU for a C Note... ($100.00 US)
working pretty good in sketchup... although it is having major temp problems running at 65c to 70c on a case fan and the stcok intel cooling unit... so not good... not good at all... reviews are similar...
the E4300 is running in the base system at 37c so needs more testing
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Never trust stock Intel coolers!
Regards
Maggy
[Maggy]
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really? you think it's all the cooler? it does seem very slow... it's a 3400rpm fan that seems to only run about 2400 even at 70c and the auto fan settings are enabled in the bios... I'll get another fan and see how it acts...
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ok this weekend I had some time to hit this again and got the system up and stable...
here are some screen shots...
now I have to make up my mind on what motherboard to use... any opinions?
right it's running great on this crappy P23G PCCHIPS Mobo
look 33c thats pretty sweet even thought it's just OC'd to 2ghz right now. and that is with the stock fan... running at 900rpm. and 1.28 volts
http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/sas/CornerBar/DSCF0013.jpg
http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/sas/CornerBar/Screenie.jpg
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ok...
I have the new motherboard... and video card...
Asus P5N-e Sli mobo...
Verto 512meg Nvidia 8500GTafter getting everything installed... here are the stock setup screenie vs the overclocked @1066fsb
NOTICE THE TEMP!!! NO CHANGE!!!
I'll post my review tomorrow...
and then I'll jump it up to 3ghz...so far... worth every penny... some $600.00
http://www.sketchucation.com/forums/scf/sas/CornerBar/1066.jpg
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This machine complete now Kris, all running sweet? How does it do under load? Details dude, details...
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Hate to barge in here, but if you guys are looking for a video card, you dont want to go with one made for gaming, and DX10? Wont do a damn thing as far as the rendering work is concerned (correct me if im wrong). See if you can scrounge up someone with a student discount and score a new Quadro for like 300 bucks. (If you really want good rendering)
I say this because there is a way to change a fx5500 card into a quadro (albeit not a very good quadro) and i can say for certain that as a Quadro my card performs in SU several times better than it does as a fx5500, and yes, its an old card, im broke what can i say.
My only issue is that i play more games than i use SU, so i went back to using it as a gaming card.
My point is that you would be far better off trying to get a hold of a rendering card on ebay seeing as they are crazy expensive for a new one. Go the extra mile and make sure you are getting parts related to the application, as gaming cards (and dx10 unless im wrong) arent made for rendering.
And yes i realize this was posted several months ago.
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yes you do have a point, on the card but this is not a system for professionals per say... this was a under $1000 build and this 8500 gt affords the user future updates in which DX10 maybe needed and it affords the user cost effective graphics for around $150.00 brand new with warranty, and an extra slot for future adding of another card to take advantage of the SLI setup. bringing the total of ram on the card to 1 gig.
with in modeling software, I have not noticed any lagging so far. and I work on some large models. the main reason to use one of those high end cards is to cut down on rendering time.
if I were to buy one of those cards I would buy new, I know, I know they are extremely expensive, outrageous even. but I would say 40% of cards on ebay have issues or are bad altogether. it's a real gamble to get the real card they advertise, and it working with no glitches or issues. and video cards being one of the most problematic of peripherals. I like having a company to gripe out and threaten when need be.
I do concede though, if you're wanting to fill out the budget a little more, and risk finding the "working" used high end cards, you won't find me telling you not too. it is a better machine for it. and your render times will likely drop in half.
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Its just a matter of finding someone with a student discount who doesnt need the card. Or, take a look at Newegg.
You can find "PNY VCQFX1400-PCIE-PB Quadro FX1400 128MB 256-bit DDR PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card" for about 350 bucks, which is good as far as rendering cards go, or, you can go even cheaper, and get a rendering card for as low as 150 dollars.
I dont know how far under 1 grand you were at, but its just a suggestion.
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@krisidious said:
yes you do have a point, on the card but this is not a system for professionals per say... this was a under $1000 build and this 8500 gt affords the user future updates in which DX10 maybe needed and it affords the user cost effective graphics for around $150.00 brand new with warranty, and an extra slot for future adding of another card to take advantage of the SLI setup. bringing the total of ram on the card to 1 gig.
$150? Man, lookie here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150245
$90 for one of those. Did you have a look at newegg? Or have prices gone down since you bought yours? For 30 bucks more than you are talking for one, you can SLI two of them now.Dont want to seem rude or anything, i just like to look around and see whats the best deal.
Also, have you run a 3dmark test on this setup yet? You should do a test on this one and an older machine of yours to see where it stands.
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