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    • L Offline
      L i am
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      I have had a bad run in the health department for the past 10 years
      Heart attack
      Open heart surgery
      Renal cancer operation within the month of the open heart surgery
      Stroke
      Vestibular migraine (4 years constant and undiagnosed and unpleasant)
      Diagnosed with prostate cancer 1 week ago (prob wont die of it, but with it fortunately)

      Why am I sharing this?
      Well there is a chemical (Perfluoroalkyl and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances) or PFAS. this chemical does not occur in nature and was, I believe, invented by 3M in the 1930's.
      In my first 8 years of work I was a firefighter. Seems I/we were exposed to massive amounts of this chemical as it was in our fire fighting foam 3M (AFFF) we would do a foam test with this substance every day and I would fill up the foam tank every day it would glob up and hit us in the face and mouth. Additionally we would use it to wash our dishes. I have been covered from head to toe in this stuff and know what it tastes like.
      Anyway it seems this stuff is in a lot of stuff including Scotchguard fabric protector amongst many other products. PFAS is known as the forever molecule because it will NEVER break down. It is now in groundwater and the Oceans😠 😠 😠
      Just thought I would do my bit to educate others.

      The list of illnesses that PFAS causes includes ALL my list of illnesses.

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        @L-i-am said in PFAS chemical exposure (Heads up):

        Diagnosed with prostate cancer 1 week ago (prob wont die of it, but with it fortunately)

        Really sorry to hear about your recent health issues. Wish you the best in your fight and a full recovery too.

        Leads, asbestos and now PFAs. Will science/engineering ever get to a point where we stop treating ourselves as test dummies?

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          @Rich-O-Brien said in PFAS chemical exposure (Heads up):

          @L-i-am said in PFAS chemical exposure (Heads up):

          Diagnosed with prostate cancer 1 week ago (prob wont die of it, but with it fortunately)

          Really sorry to hear about your recent health issues. Wish you the best in your fight and a full recovery too.

          Leads, asbestos and now PFAs. Will science/engineering ever get to a point where we stop treating ourselves as test dummies?

          Thanks mate, thing is, my Government has recently passed the ADF Firefighters scheme, I will be compensated and all my medical bills will be covered by the Government and even though I did not do active service I will be treated as a returned injured war veteran with all the benefits, which is substantial. However please don;t think I am a frail invalid I am a strong fit 65 yo guy who walks an average of 12km a day, and do not look my age. So am pretty positive about life, but angry with this situation, and how many others may pay the price,

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            Liam, get as well as you can soon...

            Reminded me of this dickwad

            Thomas Midgley Jr. has been named a “one-man environmental disaster” for two big reasons. He was one of the early pioneers of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) – compounds that became widely used in industry – and which were destroying the ozone layer. He also invented leaded gasoline and insisted that it was safe to use.

            Perhaps there is a god, because after that he got polio and was partially paralyzed, he invented a pulley contraction on his bed to move him, but one day he became entangled in it and was strangled !

            TIG

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              @TIG said in PFAS chemical exposure (Heads up):

              Perhaps there is a god, because after that he got polio and was partially paralyzed, he invented a pulley contraction on his bed to move him, but one day he became entangled in it and was strangled !

              Stupid people win stupid prizes

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                @L-i-am Sorry to hear about your health issues! Get well soon.

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                  @TIG said in PFAS chemical exposure (Heads up):

                  @Rich-O-Brien

                  Liam, get as well as you can soon...

                  Reminded me of this dickwad

                  Thomas Midgley Jr. has been named a “one-man environmental disaster” for two big reasons. He was one of the early pioneers of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) – compounds that became widely used in industry – and which were destroying the ozone layer. He also invented leaded gasoline and insisted that it was safe to use.

                  Perhaps there is a god, because after that he got polio and was partially paralyzed, he invented a pulley contraction on his bed to move him, but one day he became entangled in it and was strangled !

                  Interestingly we also used a chemical in fire extinguishers BCF or Bromodichloromethane (Halogonated hydrcarbon) the yellow fire extinguishers. I do not blame these inventors, I think the intent was good, and the bad unintentional.

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                    @L-i-am

                    Sorry to hear that 'load' you carry mate.

                    It seems big business is too big on 'we can do this' and not big enough on 'should we do this'.

                    A bit like the micro plastic beads in cosmetics being found in the food chain and now in human bodies.

                    Some good news is that more and more cancer viarieties are being 'lived' with. I know of two others with prostate cancer who are going to have a so called normal lifespan, they just have to share their carcass with cancer.

                    Might not be a cure but if it does not prevent us living our lives, it is a fair compromise.

                    We used a chemical cleaning agent years ago, just plastic gloves and a paper mask (Which had asbestos in them then) and we were told it was fine. By the time I stopped working in hospitals, this agent was only permited to be used in exclusion tanks with hoods and controlled filtered ventilation due to it being carcinogenic. How many more 'problems' which were known then, are we not hearing about.

                    When I visited the flat I now live in to inspect and sign the contract, I looked at the smashed up tiles on the floor, with dust everywhere and said. "Those things look like asbestos". "No". I had to have a floor laid over the top because haig refused to fix the floor. They have now admited the tiles ARE asbestos and so is the dust that was floating around.

                    I suppose the fact is that chemicals do not harm people when handled correctly, human ignorance and stupidity do.

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                        Cheers Mike, Just found out that PFAS was also used in cosmetics! On the positive side, my application being fast tracked. It is truly remarkable that my application needs a medical report from my hospital I was told it would take between 5 and 9 weeks to compile. When they found out it was under the fireman's scheme I received it in one and a half weeks and it was 239 pages long! The Government is paying all my medical bills including covering all my transport to and from hospital and to my doctors. I am being treated with a lot of respect. Even If I need a psychologist they will cover it uncapped. Go Australia!

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                          Really good to hear folk are taking ownership and doing the right thing, go Australia indeed.

                          We think these are new problems?

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                            @Mike-Amos said in PFAS chemical exposure (Heads up):

                            @L-i-am

                            Really good to hear folk are taking ownership and doing the right thing, go Australia indeed.

                            We think these are new problems?

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                            Inside Queen Elizabeth I's deadly make-up regime

                            The piled-on products contained deadly ingredients including lead and mercury and were liberally applied by Elizabeth

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                            Daily Mirror (www.mirror.co.uk)

                            Cheers Mike, in about 2005 there was a toy called bindeez. Basically they were little beeds where kids would form a coloured pattern of the beads and join them together by spraying them with water and letting it dry. Anyway the Australian toy company decided to get them made in China. In that year there was emergency warning on TV and radio. Seems like the Chinese manufacturer changed the formula to make the product cheaper, hence more profit. The replacement contained "1,4 butylene glycol" that simulates the drug gamma hydroxy butyrate (GHB) (Street name "Grievous bodily harm" a drug not unlike ecstasy if swallowed. children were hospitalised. Then around the same time a Chinese company put melamine in babies formular as that would allow them to water down the milk and the melamine reads as protein, making the mandatory lab test show the milk had the correct amount of protein as per specification. I remember seeing a grandmother buying some Santa clause shaped predominantly red confectionery (clearly made iin China ,at a supermarket I vividly remember cringing😠

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