Subdivision Marketing Plan with LayOut
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Interesting that this was all done in Layout. Nice Job
Do agree that the logo is kind of big in comparison to the drawing though.
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Baz, thanks for all the awesome feedback mate!
@unknownuser said:
Illustrating the slopes nearly works, but think of those classic blue mountains... further off, more haze. (Methinks 0f SU Fog here).
I'll play around a bit more with the "fogging" of the depth, might try a gradient fading filter in Indesign, though the problem I may have here is getting it correct multi directional
@unknownuser said:
Not sure whether this is a criticism or not, but those trees look like they came from "The Matrix" Materials Pack'.
Yeah I'm not loving them so much, I did make a more realistic tree (in plan) with layout geometry, but as I scattered them around the file was becoming increasingly unmanageable. Plus the PDF export itself was becoming HUGE!! I might play around with them a bit too!
@unknownuser said:
Logo is too big in relation to the 'Landscape', in fact its almost the main draw, needs to be much smaller, (and a bit of humble would be good)..
Yes most definitely TOO big, I pulled it a bit bigger so it would be same width of a table I'll place above it with the lot numbers and sizes.
@unknownuser said:
In any case, the logo colours way too similar to the illus.
Funny But I actually do want these colours to match.
@unknownuser said:
Bit of kerning required on the logo type, esp. 'eden'. (Bad kerning is my current GMTS
Good pick up, I'm not so happy with the whole font there really!
@unknownuser said:
And wouldn't just a touch of 3D explain the thing so much betterer?
Betterer, maybe, but this would then likely require another version in true plan so the lot proportions are more accurate! And then converting the 3D view to a vector file may not be so easy without making it look strangely flat!
Again mate, THANKS for such a complete crit! Love it!!
BTW, this was the more realistic tree version mentioned. Just LayOut Geometry!
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@ntxdave said:
Interesting that this was all done in Layout. Nice Job
Do agree that the logo is kind of big in comparison to the drawing though.
Thanks man, as mentioned the tree shadows weren't done in Layout, I dragged the layered PDF into Indesign for this.
As replied to Baz, indeed yes the logo is too big.!!!
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An interesting idea not showing contours. Lovely, rich looking colours.
To get more 'pop' and depth I would at least try adding a little green-blue to the deeper trees and ever-so-slightly redder haze/speckle/noise/colour to the trees nearest the viewer - I don't know if it would work but it should.
No I don't think it needs 3D (even tho' I a huge 3D advocate). Will there be any 3D/perspectives/iso-views used as well?
Yes logo too big - also as subdivision is quite organic/soft shouldn't the logo assume the same shape? After all it is a tree, and the road layout and stream are probably somewhat dendritic (treelike) especially if this only part of a larger whole. Is the logo the clients's or yours for the job? Could the timber of the tree be blue-edged???
I do think the font family is about right, it feels like it needs those feet and tapers.
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I think the tree shading for depth works very well! and the overall fresh approach is nice but subtle. ( I like the idea of a gradient background for depth but probably enough going on graphically already. Great as an overall project "avatar", and possibly other versions add various info and details. I don't know if it will be effective on the target audience. More sophisticated investors will probably find it has that confident, professional touch. I think the only thing that might be lacking for potential homeowners looking to buy a lot is sense of scale.
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I agree with @pbabcot. I think a lot depends on the target audience. If it is a developer/home building organization, I think this documents would be sufficient. What they would want to know is how many lots, where are they located, and to some degree how much excavation will they have to perform to get the lots ready for market.
If the audience is home buyers, the document can be used to let them select a lot but in the end they would want more detail like where streets, alleys, and other such things are located before they select their lot.
Still think that overall, it is a very good document. As stated before, and agreed to by many, the logo is a little too big (distracts from the main topic of showing the parcels) but otherwise very nice and effective. I can just see it on the wall of a sales office.
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As far as giant PDF exports from Layout, this is what I have been doing to minimize file sizes while maintaining print quality.
I export from Layout with high resolution and no jpeg compression. This yields a huge file. I then re-save the PDF in Acrobat as a PDF Optimized. This often times will decrease the file size by a factor of 10 with no appreciable degradation. YMMV but works for me
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@unearthed said:
An interesting idea not showing contours. Lovely, rich looking colours.
To get more 'pop' and depth I would at least try adding a little green-blue to the deeper trees and ever-so-slightly redder haze/speckle/noise/colour to the trees nearest the viewer - I don't know if it would work but it should.
No I don't think it needs 3D (even tho' I a huge 3D advocate). Will there be any 3D/perspectives/iso-views used as well?
Yes logo too big - also as subdivision is quite organic/soft shouldn't the logo assume the same shape? After all it is a tree, and the road layout and stream are probably somewhat dendritic (treelike) especially if this only part of a larger whole. Is the logo the clients's or yours for the job? Could the timber of the tree be blue-edged???
Thanks for the feedback mate! I didn't want to add too much more texture to the trees as trying to keep the files light. As everything is vector it doesn't take too much to double the file size.
Regarding the logo as relative to the plan, this is just one spread in the brochure, so the logo will also be used standalone. So being relative to the site / creek isn't so important. Rather nice idea though!!!
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@pbacot said:
I think the tree shading for depth works very well! and the overall fresh approach is nice but subtle. ( I like the idea of a gradient background for depth but probably enough going on graphically already. Great as an overall project "avatar", and possibly other versions add various info and details. I don't know if it will be effective on the target audience. More sophisticated investors will probably find it has that confident, professional touch. I think the only thing that might be lacking for potential homeowners looking to buy a lot is sense of scale.
That's a great point regarding the scale mate! I did suggest to the client previously that we through some home outlines on there, but he didn't want to confuse the fact these are vacant house blocks.
I did try to pull the tree sizes down so the sites seemed bigger but it became overly busy!!!
Once the site areas are on there it will inform correctly I think.
Thanks as always mate!
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@ntxdave said:
I agree with @pbabcot. I think a lot depends on the target audience. If it is a developer/home building organization, I think this documents would be sufficient. What they would want to know is how many lots, where are they located, and to some degree how much excavation will they have to perform to get the lots ready for market.
If the audience is home buyers, the document can be used to let them select a lot but in the end they would want more detail like where streets, alleys, and other such things are located before they select their lot.
Still think that overall, it is a very good document. As stated before, and agreed to by many, the logo is a little too big (distracts from the main topic of showing the parcels) but otherwise very nice and effective. I can just see it on the wall of a sales office.
Thanks for throwing in more feedback mate! The blocks are to be sold as each vacant to the home buyer. The contract documents will have full details on the subdivision. We tend not to give too much information in marketing docs, you want them to start talking with the sales people so they get excited. This plan is for the first round of enquiry.
Here is an updated version, still a few details to be corrected.
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@otb designworks said:
As far as giant PDF exports from Layout, this is what I have been doing to minimize file sizes while maintaining print quality.
I export from Layout with high resolution and no jpeg compression. This yields a huge file. I then re-save the PDF in Acrobat as a PDF Optimized. This often times will decrease the file size by a factor of 10 with no appreciable degradation. YMMV but works for me
Cheers mate! As the PDF out of Layout was vector only it is probably pretty light already!
In this version it is only about 300kb, one dragged into Indesign, shadows to the tree layers and logo added it only jumps to 1.3Mb. Interestingly I thought I'd try optimising this final file and it jumped to 10Mb and turned to crap. Flattening the transparency stuffed it!
However, if as I tried earlier to use these trees I'd created with Layout as just geometry and scatter a hundred or so around the file size as you'd imagine the size went skyward!
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love that presentation!
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Waou Richard. if i ever came to australia please have me as intern
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@rich o brien said:
love that presentation!
Thanks Rich, the client and agents are stoked! They are after top dollar in the area so they are pleased this represents the site quite well!!
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@imabzeous said:
Waou Richard. if i ever came to australia please have me as intern
Mate, I could teach you all I know over a beer. Meaning I don't know much OR we are talking a fair few beers!!!
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Beer is on me
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How did you make the variation of tree color? Did you color different trees in PS or something then import to LayOut and set them where they'd make sense for the depth of the gully.
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@pbacot said:
How did you make the variation of tree color? Did you color different trees in PS or something then import to LayOut and set them where they'd make sense for the depth of the gully.
Mate the trees are just layout geometry (default scrapbook tree plans) with different fill weights and spread over 6 different layers. Then in INDESIGN I've taken the PDF > managed its layer visibility and copied it over itself 6 more times IE: Base layer > tree 1 > tree 2....... Tree 6. Than added a drop shadow to each tree layer.
Pretty simple process, and the beauty again that I can push out a completely vector based PDF so it's always crisp!
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I'm in love with this plan, richard. This actually popped up in my tumblr or twitter feed yesterday or the day before and i thought it was really beautiful and saved it for future reference
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@marked001 said:
I'm in love with this plan, richard. This actually popped up in my tumblr or twitter feed yesterday or the day before and i thought it was really beautiful and saved it for future reference
had no idea it was yours! but i should have suspected.Hey Thanks man!!! Interesting that it got on to tumblr or twitter somehow!
I'm myself pretty chuffed with how it came out!
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