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    • Z Offline
      Z-Akh69
      last edited by

      Beautiful render Danik !

      Maybe you can place few 2D character in the scene. How many time for the renders ?

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      • GaieusG Offline
        Gaieus
        last edited by

        Two more suggestions, Danik:

        I don't know if the proportions of those stone slabs covering the fora are correct but they seem to be enormous to me.
        Also, could you raise the camera height just a little bit? I know that these fora are grand but with a little bit of added height, it would be more "comfortable" to view them. Now they are too depressingly big (which they used to be, surely so maybe I am not right).

        And of course, I have already seen them (as I am subscribed to your "channel" or what and receive email notifications)
        ๐Ÿ˜‰

        Gai...

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        • Z Offline
          Z-Akh69
          last edited by

          The difference in the forum :

          http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1418/24522005.jpg

          http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5315/97259656.jpg

          ๐Ÿ˜„

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          • DanikD Offline
            Danik
            last edited by

            Z-Akh69, each of these renders take about 3-4 hours

            Two more renders of baths of Caracalla.
            Caldarium:
            [flash=500,400:1dm3i1z6]http://www.you3dview.com/viewer/viewer.swf?xml=http://www.you3dview.com/flvideo/324/viewer.xml[/flash:1dm3i1z6]

            Tepidarium:
            [flash=500,400:1dm3i1z6]http://www.you3dview.com/viewer/viewer.swf?xml=http://www.you3dview.com/flvideo/325/viewer.xml[/flash:1dm3i1z6]

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            • Z Offline
              Z-Akh69
              last edited by

              Beautiful render !
              It's very sad that buildings so beautiful as this one have disappeared! Thank you for putting the characters to get an idea of the scale. ๐Ÿ‘

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              • Z Offline
                Z-Akh69
                last edited by

                Hi guys,

                Here are some new images of my work.
                What do you think about these proportions in general ? The columns are they too high ? ๐ŸŽ‰

                http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9532/63308538.jpg

                http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5241/75029460.jpg

                http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7870/67993643.jpg

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                • L Offline
                  L.VII.C
                  last edited by

                  Danik
                  Great panoramas! ๐Ÿ‘

                  Z-Akh69

                  Your Temple of Vespasian turned out better than my version. ๐Ÿ˜„

                  I shall show my modest attempts render too. While it is impossible better ๐Ÿ’š

                  Tabularium

                  http://www.picatom.com/19/Tabularium-2-th.jpg

                  http://www.picatom.com/19/Tabularium2-2-th.jpg

                  Temple of Castor and Pollux

                  http://www.picatom.com/19/Castor-2-th.jpg

                  http://www.picatom.com/19/Castor1-2-th.jpg

                  http://www.picatom.com/19/Castor2-2-th.jpg

                  http://www.picatom.com/19/Castor3-2-th.jpg

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                  • P Offline
                    pichuneke
                    last edited by

                    L.VII.C

                    Bump Mapping could improve your renders a lot. You can build them from your existing textures.

                    Forgive my spanglish...

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                    • FrederikF Offline
                      Frederik
                      last edited by

                      @l.vii.c said:

                      I shall show my modest attempts render too. While it is impossible better ๐Ÿ’š

                      Small tip... I don't know which render app. you're using (looks like KT, but could be Twilight Render, Podium or another...? ), nonetheless - if you place a big plane under the building you want to render, then the light will bounce and make your render look better... ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Cheers
                      Kim Frederik

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                      • Z Offline
                        Z-Akh69
                        last edited by

                        L.VII.C,

                        Your render are beautiful !! ๐Ÿ˜Ž I like your tabularium's texture !
                        I don't know how to do texture for the moment but i want to try to export my model in Zbrush.
                        I don't know if it's possible.

                        It would be great to integrate all these models in a video game to walk through the forum ! ๐Ÿ‘

                        For my model, I studied very hard for a year to set my proportions and I think they are very realistic.

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                        • L Offline
                          L.VII.C
                          last edited by

                          Hi ๐Ÿ˜„
                          I made a new model - Tiber Island http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=6f0e5ae4e28bd63e6c4e174b0cf70299&hl=en&ct=lc

                          I spread screenshots and renders

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 2-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 3-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 4-1-th.jpg


                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 5-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 6-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 7-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 8-1-th.jpg


                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 9-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 10-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 11-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 12-1-th.jpg


                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 13-1-th.jpg

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 14-1-th.jpg

                          render

                          http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island-2-th.jpg
                          [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 2-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 2-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 3-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 3-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 4-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 4-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby]
                          [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 5-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 5-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 6-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 6-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 7-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 7-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 8-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 8-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby]
                          [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 9-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 9-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 10-2.html:3ov46gby][img:3ov46gby]http://www.picatom.com/1b/Tiber island 10-2-th.jpg[/img:3ov46gby][/url:3ov46gby]

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                          • GaieusG Offline
                            Gaieus
                            last edited by

                            Another, fairly bearable Roman roofing material for you guys. Found in Ritzi's generous contribution here, tweaked it (as well as the bump - I know it could be better) and renders pretty well both in native SU and in PR renderers. skm file (for the diffuse) also included


                            diffuse map


                            bump (displacement?)


                            RoofingTile_01_c.skm

                            Gai...

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                            • artysmediaA Offline
                              artysmedia
                              last edited by

                              All this goes beyond me. this is an amazing work.

                              Great textures, Gaieus! โ˜€

                              Working with: Win7 64 bit OS - Core i5 - 2,27GHz and 8GB RAM

                              Blog: Artysmedia

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                              • L Offline
                                L.VII.C
                                last edited by

                                I made a model of Theatre of Pompey. I spread screens. Later, I'll render. Many thanks to pichuneke, who supplied me with materials a year ago ๐Ÿ˜„

                                You can see the model here http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=424ddd660ac85fc86c4e174b0cf70299&hl=en&ct=lc


                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 2-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 3-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 4-1-th.jpg


                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 5-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 6-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 7-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 8-1-th.jpg


                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 9-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 10-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 11-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 12-1-th.jpg


                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 13-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 14-1-th.jpg

                                http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 15-1-th.jpg
                                [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 16-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 16-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy]
                                [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 17-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 17-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 18-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 18-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 19-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 19-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 20-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 20-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy]
                                [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 21-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 21-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 22-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 22-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 23-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 23-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 24-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 24-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy]
                                [url=http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 25-1.html:7y4mv5wy][img:7y4mv5wy]http://www.picatom.com/1h/Theatre of Pompey 25-1-th.jpg[/img:7y4mv5wy][/url:7y4mv5wy]

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                                • L Offline
                                  L.VII.C
                                  last edited by

                                  Some render pix


                                  http://www.picatom.com/1h/1-4724-th.jpg

                                  http://www.picatom.com/1h/2-3098-th.jpg

                                  http://www.picatom.com/1h/3-1799-th.jpg

                                  http://www.picatom.com/1h/4-1221-th.jpg


                                  http://www.picatom.com/1h/5-896-th.jpg

                                  http://www.picatom.com/1h/6-673-th.jpg

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                                  • michaliszissiouM Offline
                                    michaliszissiou
                                    last edited by

                                    I really enjoy these models, its an amazing work L.VII.C. ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘
                                    Greece and Rome are always an inspiration to me, I also love to model all this great sculpture, so... I could not resist have fun.


                                    theRoman.jpg

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                                    • L Offline
                                      L.VII.C
                                      last edited by

                                      I have made a new model - Circus Maximus. The model is entirely "through", highly detailed, available for viewing all the internal passages, internal staircases, galleries, etc. In the theater of Pompey it was done in part.

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                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 2-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 3-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 4-1-th.jpg


                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 5-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 6-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 7-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 8-1-th.jpg


                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 9-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 10-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 11-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 12-1-th.jpg


                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 13-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 14-1-th.jpg

                                      http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 15-1-th.jpg
                                      [url=http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 16-1.html:3mmo5qo6][img:3mmo5qo6]http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 16-1-th.jpg[/img:3mmo5qo6][/url:3mmo5qo6]
                                      [url=http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 17-1.html:3mmo5qo6][img:3mmo5qo6]http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 17-1-th.jpg[/img:3mmo5qo6][/url:3mmo5qo6] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 18-1.html:3mmo5qo6][img:3mmo5qo6]http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 18-1-th.jpg[/img:3mmo5qo6][/url:3mmo5qo6] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 19-1.html:3mmo5qo6][img:3mmo5qo6]http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 19-1-th.jpg[/img:3mmo5qo6][/url:3mmo5qo6] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 20-1.html:3mmo5qo6][img:3mmo5qo6]http://www.picatom.com/1i/Circus Maximus 20-1-th.jpg[/img:3mmo5qo6][/url:3mmo5qo6]
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                                      • L Offline
                                        L.VII.C
                                        last edited by

                                        Hi ๐Ÿ˜„

                                        I have made the Colosseum with a complete interior http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=84563dbb4d76098d251309806ab975db&hl=en&ct=lc


                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 0-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 1-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 2-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 3-1-th.jpg


                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 4-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 5-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 6-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 7-1-th.jpg


                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 8-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 9-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 10-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 11-1-th.jpg


                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 12-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 13-1-th.jpg

                                        http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 14-1-th.jpg
                                        [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 15-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 15-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y]
                                        [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 16-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 16-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 17-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 17-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 18-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 18-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 19-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 19-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y]
                                        [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 20-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 20-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 21-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 21-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 22-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 22-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 23-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 23-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y]
                                        [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 24-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 24-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 25-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 25-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 26-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 26-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y] [url=http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 27-1.html:16e1pk9y][img:16e1pk9y]http://www.picatom.com/1p/Colosseum 27-1-th.jpg[/img:16e1pk9y][/url:16e1pk9y]
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                                          pichuneke
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                                          I have written about your model in this thread:

                                          http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=31406&start=60

                                          I suposse you know it.

                                          I am doing a fast render of your colosseum (I know, you can do it very well, too ๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜‰ ), I will upload it later.

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                                          800px:


                                          http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7098/colosseo800.jpg

                                          1374 px:

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                                          Forgive my spanglish...

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                                            pichuneke
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                                            Ah... I have some problems opening your model with Google Sketchup 8. I don't know the reason ๐Ÿ˜ž

                                            I upload a photo with the problem.


                                            http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6357/noideam.jpg

                                            Forgive my spanglish...

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